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Amiga Music => Audio Trackers & Players => Topic started by: Axxy on March 14, 2013, 17:09:59

Title: Mod Library
Post by: Axxy on March 14, 2013, 17:09:59
Recently, I have been messing around with a program called Mod Library written by Saga-Musix (yes, he of ModArchive and OpenMPT).  It can be downloaded from here:

http://sagagames.de/?programm=modlib

Some features:



Took about 20 minutes to read all 76,000+ modules, obviously it dropped a few thousand because the format was not supported, but anyway. At least it got them all unlike DP or XMPlay that would just lockup trying to read that lot in. :)

From within the program you can playback any module in the database, although the player just plays the mod, there are no playback options. The playback is quite impressive, even some of those 100+ virtual channel IT mods sound pretty good.

The most interesting aspect of this program for me, is the database functionality.  I think that this must be the only program, that actually allows you to search for everything in the modules themselves, totally brilliant idea.

Pity, that it doesn't support a few more tracker formats..

I like the fact that you can play the mod, but it does suffer somewhat as you can't use a progress slider, backward or forward etc.

I found how having different windows open were annoying and had to be closed before doing something else, pity the windows didn't become undocked and were independent of the main window.

It's always nice to see something new developed that has potential to be developed further and the database functionality I really like, would save loads of work keeping all that in one package, even the replay of the modules as well.

I suppose it's a sign of the times, tracker music now being so niche, or retro so to speak.  I wonder in how many iterations of Windows will we be unable to even play tracker music?
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Asle on March 16, 2013, 11:15:28
I have been about a something related to that. Some kind of unique identifier for protrackers. Couldn't find the time to do it, however. This tool could be an alternative.
My goal was (and probably still is) to generate some kind of MD5/CRC on the core data:
- used patterns
- used samples

when protrackers are converted to a replay-friendly format, all these are trashed and the only way to find dupes in this case is to compare what's is really comparable (i.e. useful data).

Didn't find the time/motivation to do it, but using AMP database as support is definitely something that can be done.

Anyway, thanks for sharing :)
Sylvain
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Saga on June 01, 2013, 11:49:59
Hehe, funny to see this tool being digged up. I actually thought about rewriting ModLibrary in C++ with a bunch of extra features, and also base it on the soon-to-be-released libopenmpt, so that it can load a multitude of other formats, and also extract melody info (so that you can perform a search like "give me all songs that have a melody that goes like C E G E F D...").
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Axxy on June 01, 2013, 12:24:11
Hehe, funny to see this tool being digged up. I actually thought about rewriting ModLibrary in C++ with a bunch of extra features, and also base it on the soon-to-be-released libopenmpt, so that it can load a multitude of other formats, and also extract melody info (so that you can perform a search like "give me all songs that have a melody that goes like C E G E F D...").

Hehe...

Actually, the fundamentals of the program are very interesting, especially the database aspect of the program with the added bonus of being able to play everything from within one package...  8)

You ever get bored and feel like trying it out, i'll help test it for you!!!  ;)

I would just love to get away from keeping everything in order with textfiles, excel and access. One package with good db functions and/or playlist support and able to play the tunes from within, what more could one ask for?
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: deus-ex on June 01, 2013, 12:42:28
[...] and also extract melody info (so that you can perform a search like "give me all songs that have a melody that goes like C E G E F D...").
Wow! Great idea there, Saga.  :o (<- impressed, not shocked)

This could proof to be quite a powerful feature, e.g. when looking for a module you can't remember the name and/or artist but you now of a similar sounding module for reference. And last but not least this could ease to uncover copyright infringements like for example the infamous Timbaland case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbaland_plagiarism_controversy).
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Saga on June 01, 2013, 14:32:21
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You ever get bored and feel like trying it out, i'll help test it for you!!!
That's probably the biggest problem, I currently lack time for such a project... For my own sanity's sake I really should finish it one day, though, hehe... (no more melodies playing in my head and I can't remember which module they are from!)

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From within the program you can playback any module in the database, although the player just plays the mod, there are no playback options. The playback is quite impressive, even some of those 100+ virtual channel IT mods sound pretty good.
The program uses a fairly old version of BASS (hence the limited format support) and I even forgot to turn on volume ramping, so to me it sounds quite horrible. :)
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Axxy on June 01, 2013, 14:49:35
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Also...
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From within the program you can playback any module in the database, although the player just plays the mod, there are no playback options. The playback is quite impressive, even some of those 100+ virtual channel IT mods sound pretty good.

The program uses a fairly old version of BASS (hence the limited format support) and I even forgot to turn on volume ramping, so to me it sounds quite horrible.

I was more impressed with how some of the .it modules with loads of channels played, compared to how I used to try and listen to them in previous software that did a terrible job of playing .it mods. Obviously, Sphenx's bubbles.it springs to mind and how most replayers really mangled those modules in the past and quite a few others.

Btw, does Bubbles.it hold the record for the most channels played in a mod?  219 channels is still the most I've seen played in a .it module...........


Unless you know different..........
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Saga on June 01, 2013, 16:49:29
Astral Chase (http://modarchive.org/module.php?36300) will basically go as high as your tracker / player allows, mostly because of some stuck samples. ;) I got 240 channels in OpenMPT with that one, but if it didn't reserve the first x channels for non-virtual channels, it would surely reach 256 (max polyphony).
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Axxy on June 01, 2013, 22:55:04
Astral Chase (http://modarchive.org/module.php?36300) will basically go as high as your tracker / player allows, mostly because of some stuck samples. ;) I got 240 channels in OpenMPT with that one, but if it didn't reserve the first x channels for non-virtual channels, it would surely reach 256 (max polyphony).

Thats a mad one. I too got 240 channels right at the end....  :o
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: deus-ex on June 02, 2013, 00:26:31
Where can you find that info of used channels in OpenMPT? I went through every dialog a couple times without any luck. Please enlighten me.
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: Saga on June 02, 2013, 00:29:05
Look at the bottom-right corner while the tune is playing. ;)
Title: Re: Mod Library
Post by: deus-ex on June 02, 2013, 01:17:28
Ah, that's actually quite hidden down there. I'd expect it somewhere in the top area, for example in the General info tab.

240 ch max for Astral_Chase_(Extended).it is confirmed, for Bubbles.it I got 231 ch max. Though I get slightly different results with Foo_DUMB. A couple years back I asked Kode54 (author of Foo_DUMB) to add a variable which stores the count of max simultaneous played Impulse Tracker channels, so one does not have to watch the Channel info all of the time during playback. In the screenshots below you can find that info in the status bar in the bottom left corner, note the value in brackets. According to Foo_DUMB Bubble.it uses more max channels than Astral_Chase_(Extended).it.